Joe Rogan Experience #1315 - Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell – YouTube Dictation Transcript & Vocabulary

1.two one boom and we're live first of all cheers gentlemen let's have a little toast relax bob thank you very much for doing this i really appreciate it i understand that you've told this story many many times you've been grilled many many times and it's very stressful for you so i really really appreciate your time for people who don't know the story there is a documentary jeremy corbell has a documentary out right now it's called bob lazar area 51 and ufos and flying saucers and flying saucers bombs are air 51 and flying okay um i first heard your story decades ago i've i told you last night we went out to dinner i've seen pretty much every interview you've ever given i've followed the story incredibly closely but for people who don't know the story let's give them the bullet points you used to work at area 51 in area 51 you got you you went like well you know we want to be accurate okay area s4 s4 okay it's about 15 miles south of area 51

2.okay um you worked in what would you how would you describe it i i guess within the area 51 compound you can call that a subset of area 51

3.and you got that job before that you were working before that i had worked at los alamos right national labs in new mexico and you were involved in what kind of work nuclear weapon development physics i mean that's they do everything there so how do they approach you to say hey bob once you come on out to the nevada desert well the way this went down was um at that time it was 1982 i had put a jet engine in my my honda and los alamos put it on the front page of the paper said you know uh los alamos man physicist at the lab you know built this 200 mile an hour you know on the jet car that i drove to work every day so uh so i was known in los alamos the guy with the weird car and you know you could hear it from you know a mile away anyway the day that came out on the front page of the paper was the day edward teller the father of the hydrogen bomb was giving a lecture down there at the lab and we didn't have much going on that day in our group and i asked if i could go down there and i went down there early and ed teller was outside leaning on a brick wall there and reading the front page of the paper now there's a guy out of history so i introduced myself hey i'm the guy you're reading about there and we talked for a little while and it was cool uh you know fast forward to years later i had moved out to las vegas and had you know left los alamos and you know went on to other things and i wanted to get back into the scientific community yeah i left start other businesses and and that sort of thing so i sent resumes out and one of them went out to ed teller and referenced our meeting you know back back in that the day and uh anyway he remembered me and gave me a reference somebody to contact at egng and that's pretty much how it started so you get a phone call or a letter like what do you get well i got a what did i get i got a letter initially and um went down for an interview probably a couple times and it was down at eg g special projects which was um at mccarran airport at that time out in las vegas and did they give you any sort of job description of what you were applying for um they said it was for ed i can't remember exactly what they did this was a long time ago but i i think it was um advanced propulsion or something like that something relatively generic and they said it's in a remote area um you know it's gonna be some days on some days off and um you know it was kind of a it was kind of uh not exactly a full-time job but you might have to be out there for two weeks at a time and take two weeks off so it was kind of uh the work schedule would be kind of broken up and did this seem attractive to you or did it seem weird no it really wasn't weird because people that work at the test site anybody that's familiar with the area up there um you know working at the nuclear test site uh or at the tonopod test range north of there uh that's typically how things go so you had known about it from the scientific community because the area 51 at that time was no they didn't say anything about area 51

4.okay so they just said it was in a you know in a remote location and you just know it was up at the test site right so but there was no mention of area 51 at that time so they've done hundreds of nuclear tests in nevada and nevada that whole area was there's been there's giant chunks of nevada the people yeah there's a big piece of nevada and it's split up into different areas there's a nuclear test site there's area 51 there's the tonopod test range north of that there's little sub-areas there's areas where they test chemical weapons and things like that so it's all broken up as a you know gigantic test area so take me back to first day on the job you accept a job they take you out there yeah it's um the first day really i didn't really get to see a whole lot the first day was essentially just paperwork that's when i flew into area 51 proper and i left mccarran airport and flew what they call the janet flights just um you know a passenger plane from las vegas to area 51 and it was really just going through a mountain of paperwork that day from security clearances to um god there was it was like two or three hours of just solid paperwork and that was that was really an uneventful first day when did things get weird when did you realize that at what point in time did you say hey this is not normal work like this doesn't even seem like it's from this planet that i can't tell you what day that occurred on because so much time has gone by the days have kind of fused into one and i can't separate the days was it a slow burn or was there a moment of recognition well the the first inkling i had was when i i came in normal there's this facility that is at s4 it's in the side of a mountain and normally we had pulled in with the bus and gone around the front through a normal double door this time that i went in there were hangar doors open i went into the hangar door and in the hangar door was the disc the flying saucer that i worked on i saw it sitting there and we walked by it had a little american flag stuck on the side and i thought oh my god this finally explains all the flying saucer stories this is just an advanced fighter and it this is [ __ ] hilarious right so i went by i slid my hand alongside it i got reprimanded immediately for touching the thing and uh there was a guy an armed guard that followed us in and just said keep your eyes at forward and your hands at your side and just walk in the door so that was the first time i had seen anything that was weird it was some time later that i was introduced to my um my lab partner barry and we had some of the subcomponents of the craft in the lab and barry was very anxious to get a new lab partner so he was very talkative and couldn't wait to show me different things and it was in the demonstration of the reactor working where it caught my attention to where this is technology that doesn't even exist so i mean that was the first time i knew that this is really something different what was it what was it what was a what was it about this reactor that made you think that it didn't exist technologically well it was the i actually have to back up because there were some briefings that i read it before that that you know certainly gave me the impression that this was going to be a weird job but this was the first hands-on thing this was a small reactor about the size of a hemisphere about the size of a basketball on a metal plate and when it was running it produced a gravitational field a gravitational field of its own now this is something that we can't do we can't produce any gravity the only way we get gravity is from large quantities of mass but there's no machine we can have that turns on that makes gravity like you know you can turn on an electromagnet and it makes a magnetic field we can't make a gravitational field anyway this device was producing that and barry said almost like he was bragging go ahead try and try and touch the sphere and i i couldn't it would it pushed my hands away just like two like poles of a magnet so that was uh so like when you take two magnets and try to press them together yeah you have this each other yeah kind of cushion feeling but you can't you can't get them together the closer you put them the more they push but then you felt that physically with my hand yeah now there's nothing there's nothing that does that and that immediately caught my attention going wow this is something else what was your thought like when you felt that and you knew that there was nothing that you were aware of that could produce that connected me to the briefings that i read on the the first day at s4 was that uh you know everything that i had read was apparently accurate what were you reading i read it was kind of an overview this project was to back engineer the alien craft and specifically it was to try and back engineer and see if we can duplicate the technology with available materials now to do this they split the project into you know many different pieces for several reasons they do this on all classified projects so uh nobody has the complete story but uh they compartmentalize everything now we had the power and propulsion system so what the briefings they gave me were like a one or two page overview of some of the other projects that were going on you know on the craft the only reason they do that is just in case what you're working on is connected intimately in some way that we don't know of to one of the other projects you have to know there excuse me their existence so um you know i but again everything from metallurgy to um you know weapon potential the craft and these were all you know essentially very short briefings but mine was just power and propulsion and it made it very clear that what i read was accurate so when you're reading that before you actually saw the reactor what were your thoughts on what they were describing if you knew that something like that didn't exist and they're describing it in the briefings what did you think you were going to see i really i i didn't know at the time i mean i was reading i thought is this just some kind of test um see if you're crazy well not to see if i'm crazy to you know a lot of times they'll take in real high security uh jobs i mean they'll intentionally insert nonsense into them um whether it's to confuse the fact or if for someone was to leak it out they would carry that information along and know where it came from so i read through the documents but you know i didn't know if this was you know part of some kind of test or um you know or what or was it potentially realistic i mean i really didn't consider it being all that possible as far as being uh the actual thing that i was going to work on at the time how did they turn it on the the reactor yeah the reactor can be turned on or turned off in a lot of different ways um the way barry showed me at the hemisphere is removed there's a small tower in the middle when you put the hemisphere on the reactor activates the reactor shuts down it's it's load sensing so if there's if there's no load on the reactor at all it shuts down when there's a load present on it it starts up again load meaning you can consider it an electrical load so although it doesn't necessarily operate electrically there's no wiring that connects any of the sub components together whatsoever they just have to be in the immediate vicinity it's uh it is but the stuff is borderline magic and that's essentially where we left it you know when i left the project so there was no progress made there was some progress i mean we did identify at least we think some processes and and had a rough idea we think of what was going on but i think this is a problem that they've had for a long time and um you know i was replacing somebody that barry worked with prior to me and i think there was some horrific accident that i didn't have a whole lot of information on but you know barry alluded to that horrific accident like where someone died or yeah where somebody died because they were trying to tamper with things or figure out how something worked yeah the reactor in particular but yeti let you touch it yeah i think what they were trying to do was cut into one now they had they had more than one there and they that was supposedly there was an unannounced nuclear test and that's what it was at the time remember they would still do an underground nuclear test at the test site um but from what i understand according to barry there was an attempt made now this must have been a pretty desperate intent because it's not a very scientific process to cut you know analyze something that way but it looked like they used a plasma cutter or something like that to cut into an operating reactor how many of these things did they have they had nine nine craft altogether i only got hands on with one of them so i can't really say what the how the others operated did you see the other ones yeah at one time and only one time the bay doors that between the hangers were all open and i could see all the way through and were they all exactly the same no they were all different different shapes yeah but they were all from somewhere else yeah absolutely now did anyone make any attempt to explain or to to tell you where they came from no no no one is the least bit interested in letting everybody know all the facts they want to give you the minimum information that's necessary to complete your task so you're not getting the story of where they came from you're not getting the story of what how much progress other people are making you just focus on the small component but they gave you some indication that they've been working on these for a while yeah when do you think they acquired these i really couldn't say i think they've been around for a while so they bring you into this room you see this reactor working you you realize this is nothing that as far as like the scientific community at current time has the ability to create we still don't what is your life like from that moment on is that where everything changes because you do you i mean i would imagine the moment you actually make contact with something that's extraterrestrial whether it's an object or a being something where you can actually absolutely be certain it's not from here your whole paradigm the whole world you live in is now a different place well this is the only time it became exciting you know the rest of the time the it was really an ominous feeling being at work but it at that time it was exciting i mean this was now i knew we were on the absolute be actually beyond the cutting edge of science and i was i was so absolutely excited to be there every single time i was um you know it would this was a fantastic opportunity and however in short order it began to concern me we really have no idea what we're talking about and the excitement kind of turned to dread at some point because the amount of power we're dealing with is astronomical i mean to affect gravity to produce the effects like this equipment does takes huge amounts of power and i've given the example before of you know taking a small portable nuclear reactor and you know putting it back into victorian times you know with the scientists of the time and just dropping it in a room and they come and look at it and see that it's producing power and wonder how it works so they start taking it apart and as soon as they get some of the shielding off the people are going to drop dead because of the radiation inside now the people have no idea that radiation even exists back then but anybody that comes in to check on him will also drop dead and you know there's no reason that that exact scenario couldn't happen with what we're dealing with we have no idea how the physics operate within this thing the power levels are are like i said astronomic like it's incredibly dangerous to tinker with something like that and you know in some respects we were guinea pigs just try to find out how to make this thing so they had a series as far as you're surmised that a series of different scientists try to back engineer this thing try to figure out what this thing was and they would bring in new people and like let's throw bob at it yeah yeah and they i know i don't know how many but i knew there was certainly one before me and i knew he died during the analysis of the or the reactor itself and you don't know how many have worked on it and no one gave this could have been there for 50 years it could have been there for five years when they're giving you instructions what are they saying like when they're giving you direction they're showing you all the stuff like what what are they saying what specifically what are they asking of you well essentially what they ask is is what i said all we are just to gather as much information as possible find out how it operates and see if we can duplicate it so but they always realize you where it was from they never let you ask questions about where it's from well if the information i read in the briefings was accurate now what i do have to say is the information that pertained directly to the reactor was accurate what i read did i mean did jive with reality um in terms of how in terms of how it was made how what we saw how it operated the materials how it you know turned on and what was discovered uh discovered about it i'm sorry the migraine is really making it hard for me to thank you sorry no we talked that before the podcast you tell her buddy bob is getting a migraine i know you're very stressed out by this which is one of the reasons why i appreciate you doing this um where was i already we were talking oh right yeah explained it and uh so there was some paperwork that indicated that this was from the zeta reticuli star system now yeah now how they obtain that i haven't i haven't the slightest idea but it wasn't just from the zeta reticuli star system it was what they called zr3 so it was a third planet in that star system so there was no other information about it other than that supposedly where the craft came from now is that true i don't know i have no way of verifying that but that was printed in the same materials that referenced the reactor now i looked that stuff up when i went home and zeta reticular is a binary star two stars that orbit orbit one another and it's only visible in the southern hemisphere and it's about thirty some odd light years away so that's literally all the information i have about that i don't know how they found out it came from there and you also probably have some suspicions that they give you some disinformation like you were talking about before they would yeah yeah to i mean if you ever decided to talk about this they added a bunch of nonsense to make whatever is factual look ridiculous right or be able to trace it down like hey this facts came out and you know this lazar guy said it you know came from zeta reticulate so they knew it was when we read zeta reticulate we're like what in the [ __ ] is this well reading all of this stuff it was what in the [ __ ] is this you're like why did i sign up for this no no to me this was cool this is interesting i said i was just excited to be out in a secure area you know in the middle of the desert i said this is awesome how old are you i get as in my 20s yeah so you're probably totally geeked out oh yeah this was this was great i mean i i was excited so i didn't care reading through everything and so you read through all the zeta reticuli thing but then when you see the actual starship with the little american flag sticker on it well that was was that later or before that that was before so before so you see the thing before and you say oh this is where what's that before hard so many years yeah i can't either way it doesn't matter the days have fused together it's so hard to separate what happened in each visit do you remember the thought process when you read that it's from zeta reticuli yeah it it it it didn't hit me like a ton of bricks or anything it's just like yeah okay you think it was [ __ ] i don't know this is where i don't know now i don't i mean because when i read it i hadn't verified anything and this was just a bunch of stuff i was reading and i thought maybe after this they're just going to give me a test and see what i can remember in right crazy information and it would but like i said when i finally went in with barry um and had hands-on experience with what they were talking about it taught on a completely different meaning so there's a plate there's this thing that looks like a half a basketball and when it's on you can't come anywhere near it you can't touch it right how is what is gravity about that like the the concept of gravity to most people gravity is bringing something towards it right well i guess you would say it's anti-gravity it's gravity shifted 180 degrees it's uh you know anti-gravity and did they have any understanding about what could possibly create this effect did they have any areas where they'd like you to look into no they well they knew there was a fuel source in it and they were proficient at making it work and again my analogy to something like this is you can drop a motorcycle off in the wagon train days and just leave it with the keys parked outside you know somebody's place everybody will come around it and they'll poke and prod and eventually they'll turn the key get it to start and become proficient at writing it yeah but they won't be able to understand what the hell's going on they won't be able to make the plastic fender much less anything else and i think that's exactly the state we were at we played around with the parts long enough before i got there where they could make the reactor operate take the fuel out and know that it makes it work how exactly what was going on in the reactor remained a mystery at the time i think we made some progress on what was going on inside but i don't think anybody really knew anything they could just watch what was going on and make note of it how long were you there i'd say about six months or so and what what progress was made while you were there well we came up with a bunch of reasonably good ideas about how the reactor worked and one of them was the base the square base of it was essentially like a cyclotron which is a small particle accelerator a circular one particle accelerators linear particle accelerators are just a you know long tube essentially and they accelerate particles with high voltage and you know radio frequencies till they reach high speeds but a cyclotron does that in a smaller circular area and there is this very heavy element fuel element 115 something that wasn't on our periodic charts at the time but it is now it is now yeah when did it become on the periodic table now the way the charts now you know i don't remember do you remember when they 2004 durhamstat germany i think is where they first fabricated four atoms they lasted 220 milliseconds with the atoms it's nothing right and then it later was discovered a couple more times they could fabricate it then they gave it they gave it a place then on the periodic chart after that called it muscovium so they told you about this stuff in 1982 yeah well we can 82 what what year was this it was 88 and 89 when i was there 82 is one 82 was when you're in los alamos i'm sorry yeah so 88.89 they told you about this stuff so this was not like no they didn't they didn't tell me about it that's one of the things that this group came up with the um um i keep losing my train of thought with this thing so this one area this this element 115 was the fuel yeah it was the fuel um the the world will forgive you for having a migraine i can i just it's really hard to think throughout this case i just want to say one yeah definitely as i said one thing you know but for the last 30 years people have just been on the attack on bob you know getting to know him the personal effects on his life it's really hard to understand unless you meet his family and his wife i mean this is the last thing he wanted to [ __ ] do was have to talk yeah we should explain that jeremy you and i had this conversation i watched your documentary we had this conversation and i said i have to talk to him yeah the document there's there's been detractors there's been a bunch of people that called [ __ ] on many of the things that you've said but over time many of the things that you talked about even in the 80s have proven to be true things that people said were not true were proven to be true element 115 was one of them right right right element 115 the fuel they had was stable in other words it didn't decay it wasn't emitting radioactivity um when they synthesized the two or three atoms of the 115 uh it did decay and it was not a stable element so they're they're kind of two different things but this is kind of typical elements always have or pretty much always have uh stable isotopes and unstable isotopes like i think cesium has like 30 unstable isotopes to it so all right well hydrogen for example you're familiar with hydrogen gas it's stable it's not radioactive but there's also two other types of hydrogen deuterium and tritium and deuterium isn't radioactive it's another stable isotope hydrogen but tritium is radioactive now they're all hydrogen but they just have a different amounts of neutrons so it's the same thing with other elements n element 115

5.depending on the amount of neutrons it has designates the isotope but it's 115 they will continue to take or experiment and try and make 115 at different isotopes and i'm sure eventually they'll come up with a stable version but it's the stable version that has the properties that we're talking about so they somehow or another had acquired a stable version did they say that the stable version had come with this craft it absolutely came with the graft yeah so at the time you having a firm knowledge of the periodic chart and knowing what was real and what wasn't real what was your reaction to having this stable element 115 that wasn't even supposed to exist well everything was impossible right i mean down down to the metal i i did get a chance uh to look inside the craft on only one occasion and this was important because where the reactor sat might have been critical to how it operated since everything operates without any interconnection so the placement of components might be critical so they allowed me to go inside and and look at it um dude again i forgot where the hell i am so you're going into this craft and what are you thinking when you're inside of it like what are you seeing it's um it's a very ominous feeling because it's there are no at first of all everything is one color it's like a dark pewter color and there are no right angles anywhere it's as if somebody took uh i've said this before somebody took a a model out of and fashioned it out of wax and then heated it just for a short time so everything melted everything looks like it's fused together everything has a radius of curvature where two uh items meet it's uh it's a really weird looking thing but um uh there was almost nothing other than a small foldable hatchway that that looked recognizable everything was uh was really unworldly depicting it a way to describe it so you you get inside this thing and it's designed for something that's much smaller than a human being yeah you can't really stand up till you get to the very center of it and how tall are you i'm 5 10